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ItwoFS sightings in the media!
Man's World, October
2008 - JPG
Prem Panicker's Smoke Signals -
The Kamla Bhatt Show -
National Public Radio (NPR), US -
Marketplace - transcript and mp3 are available here
DNA - February 21, 2008 - JPG
Rave India - August 2007 -
CNBC Panel discussion on
plagiarism in Indian film music - April 16, 2007 - Part
| Two |
Three Moneycontrol.com - April 17, 2007 -
DNA, Mumbai - April 8, 2007 -
CNN IBN - April 3, 2007 -
The Hindustan Times - Sunday
New Delhi - March 25, 2007 -
JPG The Hindu - Metro Plus,
Chennai - March 14, 2007 -
Times of India, New Delhi -
December 3, 2006 - JPG
Calcutta Times (TOI) - November 23, 2006 -
India Today, Tamil - November 1, 2006 -
Mid Day, Bangalore - October 9, 2006 - JPG
Economic Times - October 1, 2006 -
Marie Claire, Indian Edition - September 2006 -
Asian Age - September 10, 2006 - PDF
Deccan Chronicle - September 10, 2006 -
Maharashtra Times - August 9, 2006 -
(English translation, courtesy Kizzy)
What is ItwoFS?
ItwoFS is simply
Inspirations in Indian Film Songs!
And how does one pronounce the name of this site? Its
The motive of this site
is straight and simple - to provide a comprehensive
list of musical inspirations (sometimes subtle and intelligent but
mostly downright blatant!)
of Indian film music composers. The list is constantly growing and the
most important source of additions is the mails from this site's visitors!
And yes, this site focuses more on inspirations from international
sources, rather than from inter-language inspirations in India. So I
save considerable web space by not including Anand Milind's inspirations
from Ilayaraja and A R Rahman! :-)
Another key aspect is the
difference between getting inspired to create the tune itself and using
bass/ beats/ rhythm loops from foreign sources. Those songs listed which
have their basic tunes inspired would have a prominent
mark adjacent to them to denote a tune copy. Those without the
mark signify use of rhythm loops, beats/ bass and so on. One cannot judge
the intentions of the composer in both cases but yes, when a composer
copies a tune, its generally assumed that his imagination is dry! This,
notwithstanding the kind of excuses they give - "the producer came
to me with the CD and said use this" and so on!
Ever wondered how I got the idea to start this site? It was a
mention about one of my 'exploits' in India Today. This was way back in
2001. I used to upload edited audio clips of copied and original tracks
in a free server called Prohosting and used to post those links as proof
in a oft-visited 'Copied songs' thread in TFM page! This included the 2
famous lifts in Nadeem Shravan's Dhadkan, both lifted from the Middle
East. Apparently the news spread fast and India Today did a piece on it
in their back page in the issue dated September 3, 2001, with a mention
of the link where I had uploaded it! Its a different story that they had
printed the URL incomplete! But that was the beginning. I decided to
catalog the whole thing instead of having it in a free server and
posting it in a message board. Used to hang around in a free geocities
server, then iespana and now my own server! Long way huh? Click on the
thumbnail for a larger view...opens in a new window/ tab!
An FAQ that
should've been listed first
1. I think the site sucks and that you hate Nadeem Shravan. I understand that getting to a dispassionate state I'm in would take
time. But to answer that two-part question - Thank you. And, no.
2. Hey, I know where that song is lifted from. If I send you the info
what will you give me?
An index page credit.
3.Who should I address the mail to? Karthik. No, there are no hordes of researchers burning
the midnight oil tracing song origins. Just me. Karthik.
This is my hobby.
3. So, why is that my name is not mentioned in the inside
composer-specific pages? 'Cos I keep getting the information from tons of people. That Rahman
used Ace of Base in Hindustani's (Indian) 'Telephone dhun mein' becomes
an exciting piece of news to someone and I might have at least 100 mails
about it (the reason I still did not add it is that I try and focus on
tune lifts - not beats/ rhythms/ loops bought off the shelf). So, I
believe the index page credit to the first source of information is the
best I can do.
4. Can I quote stuff from ItwoFS? Oh sure, go right ahead. However, please do add a link to this site
so that you help in spreading the word about ItwoFS as visitor's
contribution is the main source of information.
5. I've posted a lot of lifts in the group's message board, but
nobody seems to have responded and they do not reflect in the site too?
There's bound to be small similarities here and there in almost any
given song and I merely exercise my right to decide which one's
substantial enough to be worthy of mention in the site - in the sense
that the original might have substantially helped the composer create
his version. Its just not feasible to list each and every single small
similarity so I rather confine myself largely to list those inspirations
that are based on the actual tune of the song, which I believe is the
most valuable and striking part of an Indian film song...not the
prelude/ beats/ loops/ oohs and aahs...with rare exceptions.
And of course, the time factor. I usually take a lot of time before I
decide to add a particular instance in the site...since the site is not
my day job! And I'm the only one managing this site and not part of a
team! So, it'd take time. I take time finding out the background details
of the tracks mentioned by visitors and also relevant audio clips, edit
them and then add them, with a credit to the first person who sends me
6. I think, going by the comments and lifts mentioned and omitted for
people like A R Rahman, Ilayaraja and R D Burman, I think the site is
rather biased. I mean who gave you the right to use words like 'blatant'
for composers like Anu Malik and Rajesh Roshan and sugar coat comments
for people like Pancham and Rahman? Why can't you simply list all the
lifts that you come across and avoid commenting such one-sided stuff?
I believe I have the same right as you have, to criticize this site's
additions/ omissions. I do not want to paint a picture as if I'm trying
to create the most comprehensive website on Indian music plagiarism. The
website is my expression of things I believe are inspired/ plagiarized.
If you disagree, please post your comments on the message board...the
board is not moderated so please feel free to tear the site apart.
That's perhaps the best I can do to protect the right to your opinion
and your right to air them.
info about new sources of inspirations you come across, your comments,
sources of song clips not available in this site...
stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else on this site!
words on Emdan Magan, a new Tamil film, with music by Vidyasagar went up
on August 16th in my Milliblog.
review was posted
by S Sudha on August 21st.
Do I see a Kaavya-styled
internalized lift here? Sample these!
Mine:“As a soundtrack, Emdan Magan disappoints…” Rediff:“Vidyasagar’s score
for Emden Magan is not great; in fact, it is disappointing…”
Mine:“Varaaru is marginally catchy, which will need significant help from
its picturization to impress better” Rediff:“Vaararu Varaaru is
marginally catchy, but will need significant help from its accompanying
visuals to impress.”
Mine:“Kalloori is a routine youngster’s track in the usual Vidyasagar
mode.” Rediff:“Kalloori is a
routine youth track in the usual Vidyasagar style.”
Mine:“The composer returns to his Thambi-styled melodies in Koligundu
kannu and Mannmeedhu - both are beautifully tuned and very well sung.” Rediff:“He comes up with his
Thambi-style melodies in Koligundu Kannu and Mannmeedhu, both of which
are tastefully tuned and very well sung.”
What do you think…do I
have a case? Plagiarism of a different kind, huh?
Update 1: Well, its the darndest thing! Rediff has removed the review
in question! Here's the back-up version, just in case!
(194 KB) |
Zipped PDF (182 KB)
Update 2: End of the issue. Rediff removes the review thanks to Prem
Panicker, who got notified about this by another blogger, Amit of
India Uncut! Thanks folks.